March 10, 2007

Drow Dagger: a question..please what is the question of this discussion?

Jack: OK, I will describe Xanadu

Drow Dagger: ok

Drow Dagger: i listening

Jack: back in the 1960's Ted Nelson designed a hypertext system

Jack: he also invented the word hypertext

Drow Dagger: what is a hypertex?

Jack: back then a lot of computers still used punch cards, and Xanadu was far more advanced than the world wide web

Jack: hypertext is linked documents, like the web or hypercard

Drow Dagger: is a programm for internet..?

Jack: yes, hypertext can use the internet

Jack: but the main idea in links

Drow Dagger: for do ?

Jack: in Xanadu, links would be unbreakable, since documents would have stable addresses

Jack: so you wouldn't have a lot of broken links like you do on the web

Jack: and links could be added by anyone, not just the author of a document, and they could be typed, for example: correction, agreement, evidence, etc.

Drow Dagger: ah..

Jack: and they could be to and from spans of text, like sentences, paragraphs, chapters, any amount

StarJunky Fermi: looking at web site now....

Jack: it's a free collaborative mindmapping program

StarJunky Fermi: nice tool

Jack: it's a good start

StarJunky Fermi: kind of reminds of the Brain on KruzweilAI website, but the relationships are explicity labelled in CMap

Jack: as good as some of the commercial mindmapping tools I've seen

StarJunky Fermi: Have you seen the Brain, Jack?

Jack: yes, I remember it a little

StarJunky Fermi: 3D concept navigation in a browser

Jack: I don't know if it was the same program, as I don't remember Kurzweil having anything to do with it

StarJunky Fermi: I like the labeled relationships better though - conveys more meaning

StarJunky Fermi:

Jack: yes, I like labels on the links

StarJunky Fermi: This is prolly the best implemenation of Brain content I've seen

StarJunky Fermi: on KurzweilAInet

StarJunky Fermi: cool - CMAp is multiplatform, too

Jack: it would be nice to have a dynamic mindmap

Jack: linked with a database

Jack: I'm not on a set schedule for when to quit

StarJunky Fermi: ok

Jack: I have a few hours more free time

Jack: fenfire is a project based on zigzag that is kind of a dynamic mindmap

Jack: when a node becomes the focus, new links come into view

Jack: so a map could have millions of links and still not look too cluttered

Jack: you would just navigate around it like a big spiderweb

StarJunky Fermi: yeah - been wondering about that

Jack: more like Google Earth

Jack: than paper maps

StarJunky Fermi: how do you ever get a "10,000 ft" view of categories in zigzag / fenfire?

Jack: You could make some nodes labeled in such a way that you would know they are the high level structure

StarJunky Fermi: guess I need to install fenfire and experiment - is the release stable / usable?

Jack: I haven't been able to get it to work, it might work better on Linux, I will have to try that

StarJunky Fermi: k - thanks for the heads up

Jack: I am going to attemp to make an animation using Cinema 4D to show what Xanadu could look like in 3D

StarJunky Fermi: cool - I've been experimenting with a Ruby port of OpenGL

StarJunky Fermi: is Cinema 4D similar to Blender?

StarJunky Fermi: but includes animations?

Jack: I have Blender, but haven't learned it yet

Jack: yes, C4D is quite advanced

Jack: similar to Maya

StarJunky Fermi: ahh - ok

StarJunky Fermi: I'm a noob when it comes to 3D graphics

Jack: I may try using a skeleton and inverse kinimatics to make links

Jack: C4D is also the most configurable program I have ever seen

Jack: you can define all the windows, tabs, menus, and toolbars

Jack: and program plugins

StarJunky Fermi: does it cost a small fortune?

Jack: so I might be able to put together a good prototype with it

Jack: yes

Jack: it ranges in price from 800 to 3500

StarJunky Fermi: youch !

Jack: I got mine on eBay for 200

Jack: it was the $1700 version

StarJunky Fermi: good deal